'I don't need fixing - the world does': Lucy Edwards on redefining disability

LE: 00:00

Myself and my now husband have been together for around 12 years and I saw him before I lost my vision and he is completely sighted. But we had our wedding at Kew Gardens over a year ago now. I can't believe that we've had our year anniversary a few months ago. It still seems like yesterday actually in some weird different ways, but yeah, it was so cool.

The best part about it was the fact that we blindfolded all of our guests, which was just like, I think everyone going into it, they didn't know, but when they came out, they were like, my gosh, I'm so glad that you did it this way. And me and Ollie just did it as a surprise, as like a thing that we wanted to do for ourselves. And also it was kind of Ollie's way of saying like, look, the non-sighted world is just as valid as the sighted world.

TS: 00:54

That's Lucy Edwards, a broadcaster, content creator and author. You may recognise her as the face of the Pantene hair care brand and she's an ambassador for Blind Barbie. But she also had arguably one of the most talked about weddings of 2023 and she'll be telling us all about it in this episode. We'll also be speaking about her book Blind Not Broken.

You're listening to Made For Us, the show where we explore how intentional design can help build a world that works better for everyone. I'm your host, Tosin Suleiman. If you joined us in season one or if you're discovering us for the first time, thanks for tuning in. This season will be bringing you more conversations with innovators and advocates, and we'll also explore design through the lens of users who are sometimes overlooked. This is a topic close to Lucy's heart, and I thought she'd be a fantastic guest to kick off season two.

So let's continue with a conversation where Lucy describes the most vivid memories from her wedding day.

LE: 01:51

We had a videographer and a photographer, but also a TikTok specialist at our wedding. So we had like kind of all three mediums going on and yeah, we were able to capture that moment. And I think it just resonated with so many people because a lot of the time weddings can be possibly about like the...I don't know, like the tradition of things and maybe like, I don't know, you want Aunt Susan there or you don't want Aunt Susan there and there's so much politics and I don't know, the walking down the aisle we just totally owned. I think the overwhelming thing though, the overwhelming comment was, I'm just so glad you did it this way.

And the nuance of just feeling the music. We had 3D sound. We basically hired audio engineers that usually did the BBC proms to walk down the aisle, basically different instruments walking up the aisle. So that meant that the strings kind of built up and it crescendoed as I got to Oli. And for me, that was a point of reference to know where I was without having to ask anybody when I was walking down the aisle, but also it really helped our guests kind of be fully immersed in like why we wanted to do it. And just everyone was just crying through their blindfolds in like a happy way.

But also I walked down to the music in the theory of everything, like Stephen Hawking's life story, the film and it's music called Arrival of the Birds by the Cinematic Orchestra. And it's the bit in The Theory of Everything where there's a montage of his life and he's acquiring his disability. You can see him losing function, but you can also see the beauty in his disability and what he doesn't like and what he does. And the fact that you can love being blind and hate being blind and those two things come together in quite a beautiful moment sometimes and both can be true and I can feel free and independent but I can also feel like disability does constrain me because of the world around me needs to be fixed. And yeah, I think just all of those kind of came as a culmination for me as I was walking down the aisle. It was very, very emotional for me and I loved it.

TS: 04:01

And whose idea was it to give people blindfolds?

LE: 04:04

Both mine and my hubby's, I think ultimately it's something that I've been chatting to Ollie about for years as we've been together since we were 16. And I said, Tim, look, it's something that I really actually feel quite anxious about. And I think he totally got it because the moment that a bride walks down the aisle and sees her husband for the first time, like all of those images and...I guess traditions were in my mind and it made me feel so sad in some ways that I couldn't do that because obviously I was a sighted teenager. I had 17 years of pretty much full eyesight before I lost my vision. yeah, think thinking about that day in my mind when I was a teenager and I lost my eyesight in my later teens was quite painful, especially when I think to moments and quite monumental moments in my life that I'm going to have ultimately. It's about kind of reframing them in a way that is very positive and not like having this internalized ableism that I always had in my mind. And I think it's part of that really. So yeah, it was really positive in the end.

TS: 05:13

I noticed that you posted a few videos of your wedding on TikTok, which your fans loved. You had tons of comments on those videos. Are there any that you remember?

LE: 05:21

A really funny one because I could be all completely soppy and the fact that there was honestly thousands of comments like, oh my gosh, this is the most gorgeous thing I've ever seen. I'm crying and I don't even know you. Like those are the ones that stand out. But also the other one is that my father-in-law on the front row, I think a couple of rows back maybe he had his blindfold on upside down. And one of the most thumbs up comments for like, has anyone seen that bloke on the front with his blindfold upside down, so he still cackles about it this day and I love it.

TS: 05:56

And there were lots of comments about your dress. I'd love to know why you chose that dress and also what was the experience of shopping for your wedding dress like?

LE: 06:08

So it was actually twofold in that I actually, I was going to get married back in 2020, but we all know what happened. And I picked my wedding dress on Just Say Yes to the Dress with Gok Wan. But then Kew Gardens kind of happened a good four years after that, because I think I picked my dress in like 2019. So I was like, oh, this really isn't me anymore. It's like my early 20s and now I'm in my late 20s and just like styles have moved on and fashion has changed anyway.

So I went to Glasgow in the end and Eleganza was kind of what I had my eye on. I followed this amazing creator called Jamie Genevieve. knew that she had just such a cool wedding dress from Eleganza, Eleganza Sposa, and she's an Italian designer. And I was like, that is the one. just, I'm going to Glasgow. I need to my dress from them. And it was just the most beautiful thing ever. As soon as I wore it, I just knew that it was mine.

Mainly, the reason that I picked it is the textures. I'm not a bride that will ever see, I mean, never say never. I might be 80 and see my wedding photos, you never know, there's technology. But at the moment, there is no cure for my blindness. And I don't hope for a cure because I just think that's a waste of my time, effort and energy when I don't have to think like that. So I love myself the way I am. I just think that picking a tactile wedding dress was just the best thing that I could have done because the whole day I was like, I was just feeling my skirt and my bodice and being like, my gosh, did you know that it had this many layers and this, that, the other when I was picking it. And then, you when I was finally walking down the aisle with Ollie, I was just so happy that he was feeling that first and getting the picture that I wanted to create with my dress when he was blindfolded and then he took it off and saw me, which was just brilliant.

TS: 07:52

So obviously your family, Ollie, your friends are a big part of your story and your book, which I think is incredible. Your book reads like a memoir, but it's also the story of your family and everything that you've been through together. Can you share a bit about why you wanted to write Blind Not Broken and who you wrote it for?

LE: 08:13

Blind Not Broken is my heart on pages. Blind Not Broken for me is to all of those people going blind right now who are losing their eyesight thinking why me, grieving, but also the people who grieving other kinds of losses. Maybe you've lost a family member or you're going through something really tough right now. This is part memoir, part guide and it is turning loss and grief into happiness. So when I was writing it, I was grieving my eyesight, but I was finally kind of putting pen to paper in that I felt like I hadn't fully gone through things in my mind until you write them down. And I was sitting on my laptop and kind of crying and then also typing. But the good thing about being blind is that I could continue typing even though I was crying. Advantages, hey.

But I think, yeah, it's for anyone grieving right now. I always say I do my work, my why, how I centre myself. My value system is very much like, it's all those little Lucy's out there. I didn't have a role model when I was growing up and I wanted there to be one. wanted there to be a voice out there to say that, my motto is blind, not broken.

It's rooted in the social model of disability about how the world around us needs to be fixed and it's not us that needs fixing. And I think the medical model, you know, I went through so many hospital appointments and times where everyone was trying to save my eyesight, rightly so. But I think when you finally do just lose your eyesight and no one can help you, you're like, well, adults around me can't even help me. Like, what now? And it makes you grow up really, really quickly. So it is just my story, but it is also a guide. And I do realize I'm still only 28, but I just, think writing it down at this point in my life, it's fresher in my mind, right?

TS: 10:08

Yeah. And are you comfortable sharing how you lost your sight?

LE: 10:15

Absolutely. So I have a really, really rare genetic condition. It's called incontinentia pigmenti. It runs down the female line of my genetics. My mom isn't blind and neither is my late grandma, but for some reason it culminated in that for me. When I was age four, I had bumps on the backs of my legs and my mom and dad were really worried because no creams were kind of getting rid of it. And it kind of looked a lot like chickenpox and that was diagnosed as incontinentia pigmenti.

And then age eight, I went for a routine eye check and they said, Mrs. Edwards, to my mom, your daughter needs to be rushed to the eye hospital because unfortunately something's happening to the back of our eyes. And then they realized that, my retinas, which is kind of the wallpaper at the back of our eye that allows us to see so much detail of the world. was kind of wanting to ping off because my eyes bleed.

And that isn't painful or anything. It's just something that happens in my condition. If they try to regrow my retina within this, my eye just bleeds all the time and there's no current medical advancement that would plug that bleeding.

TS: 11:22

And you said that it happened when you were 17.

LE: 11:26

Yeah, so I was really young, really, really young. What can I say about that time? I was just devastated, absolutely devastated. I went through kind of my teenage years. was like pre-teen, 11 years old, lost the eyesight in my right eye and then monitoring it. that was always my, historically, my better eye. But yeah, my left eye, when I was 17 eventually the retina did detach, unfortunately.

I was meant to be going on a A-level trip to Poland with my friends and instead of being on the airplane like they were, I was in the hospital bed. So yeah, it was very, very traumatic for me. It's something that I'm able to now speak quite coherently about, but also quite like, I do have like the same kind of thought pattern in my mind because I've recounted it so many times. It's not to be robotic or anything, but it's...it's hard. It's something that I've written down probably more eloquently in Blind Not Broken. But yeah, those moments when I just couldn't see the doctor and I opened my eyes after the operation and I had to like, you know, forward to hopefully preserve the retina and knowing that my prognosis was kind of like not really having vision after that was very shocking for me. think the post-traumatic stress really did hit in then and yeah, it took me a long time.

TS: 12:50

Yeah, because it happened really suddenly, like you just weren't prepared for it.

LE: 12:55

I mean, you can never be prepared for it, if I'm honest. I'd had these like appointments for so many years from 11 to 17, I was going to the hospital pretty much every month, but they just couldn't tell me why my eyes were bleeding. It's just such a rare condition. Nobody knew what was going on with it. Nobody knew what was going to happen. I would ask what could happen and they just wouldn't want to say because quite rightly they didn't know. But I didn't understand why adults didn't know. And it made me quite like, frustrated and upset. And I've always been a very happy-go-lucky person, but on the days where I went to the hospital, it was hard.

But yeah, I think ultimately I did know it was coming, but I didn't want to accept it. Why 17? All of these questions kind of bubble up in your mind and it was the hardest moment of my life. But I always say like, it made me, it made me who I am. I hated blindness for so many years, but the self-acceptance that my blindness has given me subsequently and what it's allowed me to learn about myself, I wouldn't trade for anything.

TS: 14:02

And you mentioned in the book that there was one thing that your family members kept telling you in those early days. What was that?

LE: 14:09

Yeah, it was, my gorgeous auntie. They just kept saying this is not the end of Lucy Edwards. That I remember sitting in my hospital bed and just, that is the one thing that I always recount. Like it's not the end of Lucy Edwards, it's not the end. I didn't believe her, truly. I didn't have the words to articulate how horrid I was feeling. Now subsequently, you know, I've had so much therapy and I just, my psychologist is...has been amazing and working out that different techniques really work for me. I think everyone should have a therapist no matter who you are or what you've been through. I think it's just such a gorgeous thing. yeah, knowing that not every technique as well is right for you. Exploring cognitive behavioral therapy, knowing that ACT therapy, acceptance and commitment therapy is way better for me, has just been such a journey as well.

TS: 15:03

And you shared how writing the book was a really emotional experience for you. And you also have a chapter where you interviewed your loved ones about their experience during that time. What was it like hearing their recollection of events?

LE: 15:21

I could not read it. I cried, especially at my dad. mean, hearing the audiobook, like my dad, my husband, my sister, my mom, they all wrote a chapter. And some things that they wrote, I just didn't know they thought until literally it was written down on paper and they practically reading it for the audiobook. And it just meant so much to me that all of them, you know, wanted to do that A, but B, like recounted their experiences so eloquently and I think it's so important when you're going through grief, you're not the only person that is affected. Your loved ones are very much feeling it with you. It's not the same by any means, but it's that kind of acceptance and acknowledgement that they are with you through every step of the way and they're feeling deeply as well with their own perspective and they're just beautiful.

TS: 16:12

Yeah, mean, reading how much they supported you, was just incredibly moving.

LE: 16:17

Aw, thank you.

TS: 16:19

Was there a turning point for you? Can you recall a particular moment when you started to feel differently about your life and feel more hopeful?

LE: 16:30

Absolutely. was, I think the first step, I think there was many, but the first step was definitely having my guide dog, Olga, who's with me in the room right now. She's very confused half the time, her. She's like 12 and a half now. She's very much retired and we've got obviously lovely Miss Molly, who's my working guide now. no, Olga saved me. This dog gave me a routine when I didn't want to get out of bed, when I was on really strong antidepressants, when I didn't think that I could be the best version of myself, or didn't see myself really amounting to anything because blindness was just awful and it meant so many horrible things to me back then, Olga was like, well, I need feeding mom and I would get up for her.

You know, she would give me a routine. I think Olga also taught me that it wasn't a burden. This word just swirled around in my head like soup for so many years. And when I got Olga, she needed me. She's the thing in this world that really relied on me to make sure that she was okay, make sure she was fed, watered and given treats. then she would help me as a team get to school. And I put one foot in front of the other and I was terrified because I was holding the harness of a 15 month old dog who had basically my safety in their hands. Although I came to realize that it was very much 50-50 and hearing the traffic and counting the curbs to my next destination and all of these different things. The apprehension just got less and less and less.

And now I've been a guide dog owner for 10 years. They still amaze you. Every guide dog partnership is different, but Olga is my special one. She always will be. And I was just so ill and she had so many firsts with me. She went to my first job at the BBC, she to my first interview, my first day at sick form, all of these different things. And I thought she was going to be the first doggy to walk me down the aisle, but the pandemic happened, her, and she retired.

TS: 18:38

In the book, you talk a lot about the accessibility challenges that you faced. Can you give a sense of what were the biggest barriers for you initially?

LE: 18:45

It was hard because I was so used to pouring myself a glass of water and all of these different things. And suddenly it just felt just like a mountain I was climbing every day. I think ultimately it was the mental barrier, I think, was the hardest about telling myself that, know, no, Lucy, you can't pour a cup of tea or a glass of water or make yourself a spag bowl because blind people can't do those things. And that's a societal expectation that I'd learned and been conditioned to feel and had seen because there was no authentic representation throughout my childhood.

That was no one's fault. It's just we don't get taught about blindness or disability in any authentic way in our workplace or education system. I think for me, that made me terrified. I would think about all of the ways I used to be able to access my computer and used to be able to just click on something, work through something with my vision and it would hinder me a lot. And that was kind of step one, but I think working with my mobility officer, Terry, like she was very much like, Lucy, of course you can do it. Come on. And I kind of loved that tough love in a way. We had lessons and school supported me. had a visual impairment unit on my kind of mainstream school. And I remember like my friends went around with blindfolds.

And Terry did an exercise with them where they all had long white canes and they went around school and knew what it was like for me. I don't know, like having those things like really made me feel, even though I did feel weird and felt different at school, it made me feel less weird and less different. I think, yeah, pouring a cup of tea was hard. It took me a good couple of years to do it. And I don't want to be afraid to say that because if someone might be grieving out there and thinking that these things are hard to do as well, but yeah, I guess that's what I wanted to explore in my book.

TS: 20:41

I also thought it was interesting that you wrote that you also feel lucky that you became blind at a time when you have access to the technology that's available now.

LE: 20:51

I think because I've worked with such amazing, very clever blind people, I've had amazing role models. When I got a job at the BBC, my boss was blind, Damon, and my colleagues were blind, Emma and Peter White. I'd be working at Radio 4 and Pete would be talking to me about interview technique and different stuff. He would say, this is the best time to be blind. He's over 70 now.

He laughs quite jovially about understanding that he spent hours recording on tapes and he had no choice but to just take things really. And nowadays you have audio books at a click of a button. You can scan a document or a letter that comes through the door, know what it says even though you can't visually see it in a second. We've got apps like Aira where I can just ring a sighted person who has been qualified and trained as a visual assistant for the blind. And they can tell me how to order something or spell check a document or do anything I want through my camera iPhone. camera on my iPhone rather.

And I think even with AI now, it makes me shudder with excitement that, you know, one day I am going to have a camera on my face that now quite accurately does tell me what's in front of me, but even more so, I'm definitely going to be in 10 years like cyborg Lucy in that I will open my fridge and it will more accurately tell me things. But even now it's telling me the expiry dates. There'll never be a moment where I have to open a bottle of milk again and have to guess whether it's expired. So yeah, we're in an exciting time.

TS: 22:39

Which other technologies are you using that help you throughout your day?

LE: 22:43

I think all of it is rooted in AI. There's a magnifier app on every iPhone. Any iPhone out of the box I can use just like anybody else. I just have to do three taps to the home button and I can set up with a screen reader that's built into the iPhone's infrastructure called voiceover. I lost my eyesight nearly 12 years ago now, but I had my iPhone and I could text people and in 09, only a few years prior to me losing my vision, people losing their eyesight didn't have even that.

So I count myself lucky that I've never known a time where I couldn't not text my friends or know a time where I've had to go without my phone because of inaccessibility. So in that respect, I think I owe a lot to my phone. run my now two businesses off my iPhone, contact all my colleagues and everything and my employees and stuff. So I think, yeah, it's power to the iPhone, but also I think AI, what it's doing it's incredible. I didn't ever, ever believe that there would be a day where images would be audio described. I always thought the whole of the world would have to be educated before I understand what's in an image, but AI is going to do it for us. don't know. Those prospects to me, it just make me, I'm like, who needs vision?

TS: 24:05

One of the things that you're focused on now is advising brands on how they can be more inclusive, more accessible. I noticed you had some videos on TikTok where you're testing different makeup brands, for example. What are some of the gaps that you're noticing and where is there work still to be done?

LE: 24:20

I think there's a long way to go, but we're making massive strides in this area. I'm all about universal design. Most of the time now as well that I have my personal brand on camera, but when brands come to me, it's very much like, Lucy, we want you to be the face of our brand, but there is also this consulting element. And this is getting more and more, the authentic representation is very much wanted because there is a market.

I always talk about the billions of people who are disabled in the world and this 15 % of the world's population and growing, nearly 20 who are disabled and this purple pound of disabled people and their counterparts and their colleagues and friends and family who want brands that just work for them. And we're not going to spend our valuable money on things that we don't think serve us.

This is just getting more and more evident with the advent of TikTok because there is a demand there and we're being seen and heard in a way that we haven't been ever before. And it's sending shockwaves through different industries. And I think that's why when I did do my collaboration with Pantene and I did my two adverts and I just, value that time I had with them because I just think, wow, that wasn't a tokenistic advert at all.

Brands very easily could put me on an advert and say, look, we're disability inclusive, but they didn't do that. They actually, you know, changed their product to really, really serve my community with NaviLens codes. NaviLens is basically a code, not a traditional QR code. It's made up of geometric shapes basically, and it's printed on packaging and you can actually locate with 3D audio, the price, everything. So yeah, shampoo and conditioner and the whole of the Pantene line has it on. And I was just incredibly proud to pioneer that with the brand and go on to just shape the inclusivity of other brands as well.

TS: 26:23

Which other brands are you working with?

LE: 26:25

So I am the ambassador for Blind Barbie, which Mattel released a couple of months back now, which is incredible. And that was an amazing collaboration with the American Foundation for the Blind, who advised on the different cane lengths and her heels and her glasses and her eye gaze and her clothing being more accessible to take on and off for children. And that representation was just super cool to be fronting to be the face of it. That was a dream moment for me.

And then also I've just acquired seed funding for my own makeup line. We'll see where it goes. I'm very excited to kind of document the process a little bit and then also launch it eventually. So yeah, it's going to be super cool.

TS: 27:06

Can you say a little bit more about that? Can you sort of tell us what it's called? What's the vision behind it?

LE: 27:14

So, Etia derives from the word Lampetia, who is the Greek goddess of light, but it also has a root meaning, inner shine, like having yourself shining from within basically. And I think for me, that resonated with me because when I lost my vision, I couldn't see in a mirror anymore and I really had to dig deep and understand that my inner self was good enough. So yeah, it's really rooted in the fact that

Etia is for everybody and you don't have to see to feel beautiful. And it's about, you know, all of those different notes that we don't see when we wear makeup. It's how we feel inside. Etia as well for me, it caters for all disabilities. We're going to have focus groups. We're going to really delve deep into what is missing, what is out there, what can we do, how are we going to solve things? You know, where are we going to go with this? It's modularity at its core.

I think for me, it is my baby. I've been thinking about this. This has been in my mind for 10 plus years, wanting it to happen, understanding the market, being a consumer myself that has tried thousands of different makeup products at this point, which I'm so lucky. But the makeup world wouldn't have been accessible to me unless I had a sighted sister who audio described hours and hours of makeup tutorials to me.

you know, how am I going to be someone else's big sister and how am I going to make this world accessible to them? Yeah, because it can't stay how it is.

TS: 28:45

And in a way, it's almost like everything has come full circle because you started off posting videos, makeup tutorial videos on YouTube when you first became a creator and now you're the one actually designing the makeup.

LE: 29:02

Absolutely. That's incredible for YouTube and say, I'm like, yeah, that is very true. it's still a pinch me moment. It's still like, wow, little old me from Birmingham, little old Lou sitting in her room, not believing in herself and not understanding that this was her future. I think this is why Blind Not Broken needs to hopefully hit and strike a chord with me internally, but also with everybody else in that like you are enough and you are okay just the way you are. And being different is amazing, but you wouldn't necessarily know that because you're grieving.

TS: 29:37

One of the things that you talk about in your book is changing people's perception. It's a big theme in the book. And I've noticed that on TikTok, you're posting videos answering people's questions, like, you know, how do you do your makeup? How do you make a cup of tea? I'm curious what it was about your experience that made you feel you needed to educate the world.

LE: 29:59

Honestly, when I was going out, I didn't feel like Lucy anymore because of the way people would treat me. And with the nicest will in the world, like people would just talk to my boyfriend, now husband at the time, people still do. My mom, whoever I was with rather than me, or, you know, they would see my guide dog and be like, my gosh, you're getting your mommy places.

And all of these things were probably very well-meaning and they'd never had a lived experience of blindness as an influence in their lives, so they probably didn't know how to act or what to say. But I think that drove me to really just delve deep into these questions and in the hope that one day people won't ask them, we won't have to, we'll just see blind people as equal. I don't think we're there yet and I just hope that one day we will be.

TS: 30:50

And one thing that we've talked about is, as well as changing people's perceptions, you've also had to start thinking of yourself differently and accept your new identity. Can you just tell us how your thinking has changed over the years?

LE: 31:03

I used to really dislike blindness. I hated everything about it. I didn't want to be blind. And I remember just sitting there thinking, wow, you know, like I have to live this life with my eyes not working. And there's so much beauty in the world that I'm missing out on. And I think when I stopped looking through the lens of I'm missing out on X and really reframe that and thought, wow, you know, what can I still value? What can I still experience? What is out there for me?

I think that really drove me to think about the abundance in my life and everything that I could do. Understand that, you know, the world around us needs fixing. It's not me that needs fixing. And being very clear on that and understanding that, you know, I have rights. Just because I lost my eyesight doesn't mean I lost my vision, which is my motto. And you know, vision can mean so many different things. I'm just so, so lucky to have people that value that kind of ethos around me and treat me as equal.

TS: 32:10

You've talked about what's next in terms of your makeup brand that you're planning to launch. What else can we expect from you?

LE: 32:19

Yeah, I have a podcast with my lovely husband. It's called, But I'd Never Marry a Blind Woman. Kind of sparked from different comments we've got in our spam filter about, my gosh, thousands of people saying, why would you marry her? She's blind. my gosh, I know. It makes us laugh. It really does. If you don't laugh, you'd cry. And I think honestly, I think me and Ollie, making a podcast from it has given us so many gorgeous conversations and there's like 20 episodes out there now. So yeah, it's on our YouTube channel if you want to check that out. And yeah, in February, I've got my first children's book called Ella Jones versus the Sunstealer. So yeah, it's a good one. It's really cool.

TS: 33:00

Sounds exciting. Lucy, it's been so much fun talking to you. Thank you for sharing your story. Thank you for being so candid.

LE: 33:07

Thank you so much for having me. It's been amazing to talk to you.

TS: 33:15

Thank you for tuning in to this episode of Made For Us and a huge thank you to Lucy Edwards for sharing her story. If you'd like to keep up with Lucy's journey, you can find her on most platforms as at Lucy Edwards and on Instagram as at Lucy Edwards official. Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review and share this episode with someone who needs to hear it. We'd love to hear your thoughts on season two and you'll find us on socials at Made For Us podcast.

TS: 33:42

Hope you join us next week and in the meantime we'll leave you with some of the comments on TikTok about Lucy's wedding as she would have read them.

Unknown: 33:50

TikTok 1789 comments. I love that he's crying without even seeing how beautiful she looks. That's the most lovely video on TikTok that I've watched. Okay now I'm balling my eyes out. Three loudly crying face. This gave me the chills whilst I was watching. The blindfold idea was perfect. What an amazing idea. beautiful.

The Bride, the emotional groom, the dress, the venue, the music, the dog perfection. This is just so beautiful. The way your groom took time to feel what your dress looks like and how beautiful you are is amazing smiling face with hearts. We've just been told my three year old is going to lose his sight and I hope he finds someone who loves him. Like this. You're beautiful by the way smiling face with hearts.